Teflon coating for lead bullets gunsite south africa. However, the lead bullets i make for patching are designed to fit the diameter of the bore, not the groove, which means the paper patch is at least. Patching boolitz with teflon tape archive cast boolits. Bore or groove diameter bullets for paper patching. Please post what you find,it sounds interesting and would like to know how fast you can push them and of corse accuracy being the main consern also. Jul 02, 2009 the only paper patched bullets for black powder i am familiar with are those used in black powder cartridge rifles like a sharps 1874. Would be of interest to research this,not only would make it easier but teflon tape is verry slippery. Will this work with a hard jacket bullet or must i cast my own with virgin lead. A beginners guide to loading and shooting paper patched bullets for early black powder cartridge rifles. In the 1960s, paul kopsch an ohio coroner, daniel turcos a police sergeant, and donald ward kopschs special investigator, began. Id agree that rsws book is a great place to start for a guy looking to get started with paper patched bullets. I have always used straight sided bullets that come out of the swage at.
It will cost some hundreds of dollars and that is a lot money to spend unless you will be shooting paper patched bullets for years to come. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load. Merchandise books paper patched bullets by orville c. I have been following the threads discussing orville s 7 degree chamber and have two questions thinking about another 4590 in a long range express heavy barrel and a 4477 hartford heavy barrel while the standard chamber works well with both paper patched and greased grooved bullets, how does the 7 degree chamber work with grease groove bullets. Jake and i discuss ball diameter, patch thickness and patch lube. For smokeless paper patching you want to have a bullet size to about. Only reason for the teflon coating on the ktw tungsten core bullets was to reduce barrel friction and chamber pressure.
Ive been trying different lubes with my patched bullets, the best so far seems to be what sharps recomended 2 parts oil to 1 part bees wax. I ask because i want to be sure and avoid those brands. The black powder explodes with such force that it causes the bullet to obturate to fit the grooves. About the only pressure sign that i run into very often in my reloading is flattened primers. We ship your order via the united state postal service. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. Unless someone chimes in with their experiences to the contrary, chase patched bullets work best with straight black or duplex loads. Feb, 2011 1967 shelby gt500 barn find and appraisal that buyer uses to pay widow price revealed duration. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons.
And as kurt mentioned, brent did very well this past weekend with his. Teflon clad bullets werent developed to pierce a bullet proof vest but to allow a lead bullet to be pushed down a barrel at higher velocities without smearing lead into the rifling and forcing cone. Paper patching muzzle loader bullets alaska outdoors forums. It seems to be all the rage on the casting sites ive been looking at, but i cant. The only bullets i have seen that fit that description are not sold as copper plated, but rather they are sold as copperwashed, and they were all factory ammunition in.
What impact they expected teflon on, say, the cartridge case has on any ability to penetrate armor, i have no. The green teflon black teflon for several large bore calibers material added to the bullets was designed to actually grip smooth surfaces such as glass and metal, and not to make it slip easily through kevlar. Picket bullets, patched either in paper or cloth, were around by about 1840 iirc. Or, print your order after entering your address, attach your check or money order, and send it by mail. I suspect teflon patching would allow the same thing, accurate and no wiping when using the same lube ball. The teflon really makes the bore shiny too, all is a plus when shooting cast boolitz. I have teflon taped bullets from the 4570 down to the 22 calibers. A breech seater is used to load, the same as used to load a greasegroove bullet. Mostly because of popular media a lot of people believe that teflon coated bullets have superior armor piercing capabilities and enough people have been misled about teflon coating that it is now illegal for non le people to use and own these bullets in fear that it might be used against the police. Oklahoma tefloncoated bullets are illegal in oklahoma under some circumstances. The folks i know who paper patch use a sizer to get the diameter just right after wrapping.
Lubed bullets were around at least since the civil war and the mini balls. Use your middle fingers to hold the end of the patch taut and keep the patch as tight as you can on the bullet as you roll it forward. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Bullets are made of a variety of materials such as copper, lead, steel, polymer, rubber and even wax. Hitek polymer coated bullets for reloading badman bullets. A variation on the paper patch bullet is the teflon taped bullet. So who plates their bullets with such a thin layer of copper. Jan 17, 2007 copkiller bullets are sometimes called teflon bullets, but this name reflects a serious misunderstanding. Does anyone here paper patch muzzle loader bullets.
In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a paper patch to obtain top velocities with poured slugs. The first brass got old and tired and for the last 15 years or so have been using remington 4570 brass that has been stretched to 2 410 and that makes the wall thinner, so im using meachame neck sizer. Plumbers teflon tape a paper patch for high vel loads. Tip, after patching with a wrap of teflon tape, pass it through the flame of a bic lighter, the tape will shrink and adhere to the boolit, place the gas check on and run thru lubrisizer. If you dont have a mold that casts at g to g diameter but casts larger, then you have to size bullets to g to g diameter before patching and last size bullets to throat diameter. Two wraps of teflon works better and faster for me than patching with paper. Winchester and groove size bullets, they werent all groove size bullets, ive owned and worked with 5 original 1886 models in 4082 the original bullets were. Ive been using maxiballs lately, but i want to try paper patching hornady xtp. Also, about the diameter of the bullet, aside for the recommendation to use slightly over bore diameter not over groove, several ray ordorica, ross seyfried have patched bullets much smaller, like 458 for 470ne 3 wraps, with success. This for you old or ancient guys paper patched bullets gun. Many states, however, do restrict teflon coated ammunition, of any core compositionin south carolina, it goes one step futher and bans any ammunition or shells that are coated with polytetrafluoroethylene teflon sc code 1623520. Why do teflon coated rounds penetrate teflon bullet proof. You will only need enough lube peasized to cover the patch.
Wrapping and sizing paper patched bullets for muzzleloaders duration. For example, in the movie lethal weapon 3, a socalled teflon bullet from a mediumpower handgun was supposedly able to penetrate several inches of hardened steel on a bulldozer blade. Just make sure the patch is saturated with what ever you use. This for you old or ancient guys paper patched bullets. Groups are consistently good although i always try to improve on it. The oil in the head of the whale was a much finer oil. Initial testing has proven the polymer coated bullets to be more accurate with a dramatic decrease in smoke. And no, a lead bullet coated with teflon isnt going to become some super penetrating magic bullet. A bullet is a kinetic projectile and the component of firearm ammunition that is expelled from the gun barrel during shooting. This is to aid in loading successive shots after fouling occures. We describe another method to economically and simply custom fit the bullet to your rifle bore to make your military surplus rifle shoot. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets.
Orville loomer has a smaller book available from shiloh also. Does anybody out there reload with there own paper patch bullets. The term is from middle french and originated as the diminutive of the word boulle boullet, which means small ball. Its hard to say whether paper patch bullets were around before lubed bullets, as i dont recollect ever reading exactly when they first came out. I made up some wrapped in tracing paper, and some with adhesive labels. In the july august number 86 issue of handloader an article by curtis l wilson talked about patching cast bullets with teflon tape the type commonly used. Paper patched bullets book by orville c loomer on the methods and successes in developing a paper patch bullet and load a how to book on duplicating the. It is easy to test one merely has to load up 10 or 20 rounds and shoot them, then run a patch. I have been getting excellent results teflon patching 420 grain cast bullets for the marlin guide gun in 4570, two wraps and there is no need for messy bullet lube.
The finished product will look like the tape is painted on the slug. Most cast bullets are made of lead alloyed with tin and antimony. A cast bullet is made by allowing molten metal to solidify in a mold. But, in shooting, once in awhile you would get a flier, if you ignored it and shot again, you got a barrel full of lead. What bullet would you use to paper patch in a gahendra or similar rifle.
My father shoots paper patch bullets in several rifles and for his browning hiwall. If you are new to paper patching, i recommend you buy some 40 cal cast or swaged bullets of. Be sure that the case mouth is smooth and flared enough to start the ppb easily. That being said, teflon plumbers tape wrapped around the boolit twice does the same thing. I have been teflon patching cast bullets for years with very good luck. When everything is lined up, use your thumbs and first fingers to begin rolling the patch and bullet forward. After reading mikes article on pp bullets, i was not too enthusiastic about tapered pp bullets. The process to make our polymer coated bullets is a little slower and time consuming but well worth the effort for those looking for such a product.
How to use lube on a patch and a roundball the high road. Some groups would equal the best matchgrade jacketed bullet loads at 100yds. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine. Teflon coating had very little to do with penetration performance. In fact i may be the only one in the world shooting paper patched bullets from a. It is my understanding the teflon was coated bullets were when the entire bullet was cast out of an alloy, and to reduce barrel wear, they coated it with teflon. Hello, hickory, i have tried teflon tape patched bullets in the. This video will show the basic 2 wrap patch boolit.
It gets harder as you go down in caliber and up in age. Bullets are only armor peircing if they have steal core, or something denser. Hi guys, i was reading the pa uniform firearm act and it was talking about ktw teflon coated bullet being illegal. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience. Patch material is made with uniformly woven, high quality 100% cotton. The single lap patch has the edges cut square unlike the angle edges of a doublelap patch, and the edges butt when wrapped on a bullet. Admin admin david reiss cba membership director posted this 25 april 2017 a trip to the range and some testing gives an option to those fearful of lead fouling in ar platform rifles. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. Place some of the provided patch lube between your thumb and forefinger and twist the bullet, in the same direction the patch is rolled, in the lube. The art of paper patching, how to make your paper patched boolits.
Im aware that many molds are available to cast bullets for paperpatching. When i can do my part the 3 14 has put 5 shots in 2 12 inches at 500 yards. Round patches are caliber specific and come in 4 different thicknesses. Generally the patched bullet is bore diameter or slightly larger. Because of the number of matches i was shooting and the amount of time it took to prepare paper patch cartridges, i finally went to grease groove bullets. Teflon coated bullets, sometimes colloquially, also known as cop killer bullets, are bullets that have been covered with a coating of polytetrafluoroethylene. I cast wws and wrapped the bullet with teflon tape. My understanding on these is that you can tolerate a flattened primer, but thats probably where you want to stop. As soon as we have a dry weekend here, ill do a comparative test between bullets patched to bore and patched to groove 2 different bullets, of course. The cup base is typically used for paper patched rifle bullets.
Anyone dabbled with teflon plumbers tape on hard cast bullets at higher velocity. I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle. Best groups to date are bullets patched to bore dia. Enter your name, address, and billing information for prompt shipment. Nei lee rcbs saeco and lyman ideal, are companies im familiar with to whatever degree.
Very good accuracy has been obtained with paperpatched bullets, but the assembly procedure is relatively laborintensive. As a general rule one patches his bullets to groove diameter if he is using smokeless powder and to bore diameter if using black powder. Please ensure your shipping address is deliverable by the usps. Patching with teflon tape was reading an article about paper patched bullets when i stumbled on an article about useing teflon tape instead. Like with other bullet patches you will need to trim off the extra tape. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. Hi all, one of the stated advantages of paper patching has been that you can drive cast bullets closer to or exceed copper jacket velocities. If teflon patching requires wiping, then it isnt for me however, shooting normal paper patches wiped with 6040 mix ive mentioned, as well as a lube ball about 316 thick of the same lube allowed up to 20 shots in the. Eggleston polymer coated bullets are hard cast bullets with a tough polymer shell which encases the lead projectile. Cast bullets to g to g bore diameter, patch and then size to throat diameter is pretty simple and works when you have a mold that drops bullets at g to g bore diameter. Some manufacturers plated lead bullets with copper, however at velocities faster than 12500 fps, the plated copper also smeared.
They are similar in concept to copper plated bullets, except the plating is made out of polymer instead of copper or copper alloy. I have never heard of anyone using a paper patched conical bullet in a muzzle loader. Most commercial bullet manufacturers use swaging in preference to casting, but bullet casting remains popular with handloaders. The patch lube has but one purpose to prevent tearing the patch when the bullet is seated. The reason i want to go away from gg bullets is the lubetemperature variability both climatic conditions and barrel temp. I have seen 2 types of conical bullets for muzzle loaders. One cant get sperm oil any more, and im sure the sperm oil that was used for guns was the oil out of the head of the whale not the oil from the blubber. More in depth info is shown in clyde snooky williamsons book, winchester lever legacy. Accuracy loads were well up into jacket charge rangesome of the smallest groups i had ever shot with jacket were achieved 38 at 100yds. In the july august number 86 issue of handloader an article by curtis l wilson talked about patching cast bullets with teflon tape the type commonly used by plumbers to seal threads on pipes. Orville loomers book was interesting to me as he wrote it quite a while ago, before there was much of a revival of paper patch shooting. Can lead bullets be pushed to faster velocity by wrapping them in paper. Jun 12, 2009 what marine recruits go through in boot camp earning the title making marines on parris island duration.